I wanna thank Roosh for making the trip. Even though I already expected such a review, its important that men that live in TO watch this video, read this blog and decide whether you wanna stay.
Leaving the city of MEN for the sunny shores of the city of Angels, was by no means an easy task. It required extensive research and rigorous planning. The main aspects we looked at were those rationalized as must-haves for men with high DRIVES about beautiful women when deciding upon a place to live: namely, quality, quantity and access. Comparing Torontostan to Los Angeles in all three categories would make for a very one-sided argument. However, here's our initial rough draft comparative analysis of dating/sexapades in the two urban centres...
Most of the wannabe actresses, models, porn stars or other entertainment girls move to LA at the very least at some point during their lives. They rarely leave. This has a two-fold effect. First, it automatically increases the quality of hot babes in the area. Secondly, and more importantly, it keeps the local Angelinas on their toes with regard to keeping in shape, getting their tan on and looking good. Looks wise girls here are at the very least 2-2.5 points higher on the look-barometer scale when compared to Toronto talent(and I'm being very generous to the latter). As the pics above demonstrate: While the girls on bottom pic (Toronto) are all attractive, they would never be considered TOP quality in L.A. PERFECTION TAKES A WHOLE OTHER MEANING HERE. If you look closely at the two pictures....The girls on the top pic are head-to-toe hot and they are not even top quality. We all know that clubs/lounges/special events etc pay agencies (modelling/hostess/staffing) to deliver attractive girls to walk around, greet customers and perform 'service' tasks (bottle service). In Toronto they occasionally brought a few models on top of their existing staff which made places appear less dead/sausage fests than they actually were. To put things in perspective, the staff girls here outshine the models there by a large margin. On top of all this, playmates, pornstars and other models juggle around like its their day off. A lot of the girls we see simply do not exist back home. Does this mean you'll be seen banging all these women? Of course not. But it raises the bar when it comes to who's hot, what a 9 or 10 is and who should be given the most/less attention.
Yes T-Dot does have a few hotties, but you only notice them more since there's so few of them around. Consequently, they would appear even hotter than they actually were. This is not just a supposition but an actual fact. Walking on King or Queen st on a Saturday afternoon, I would go back to my flat and remember intimately the hottest girl I saw on the street. I cannot do the same here at the third promenade, SM (just one example). Reason? Because there's simply too many!!
Granted the city of Angels is the city of hell when it comes to logistics. Location, Location, Location, does not really work here. Bars, clubs, lounges, restaurants, day game places are everywhere. The greater LA area itself is a collection of several cities and each one has its own unique settings, locales and fun pick up joints. CAR IS A MUST.
What I've found fascinating, however, is that you can walk into just about any place that serves drinks and sit at a bar, sooner or later a girl or two would appear near you. You can initiate convo (recommended in most cases) as people don't look at you and judge like they did in Toronto. This part is very important due to the discrimination a single guy with a high DRIVE got in T-Dot if he was seen alone trying to chat up women at restaurant bars.
In addition, you see very few girls with headphones on during the day time or large shades on their faces (even though its always sunny here). Clearly not trying to hide anything, which means they are not getting hit on constantly every time they leave their place. Women here love to dress sexy. You have to look very hard to see a woman without high heels (beach cities exempted).
Girls will generally not be rude and run away when approached, which happened a lot in T-Dot. Opening does not seem to be a problem. I had to adjust my mid-game initially because I was simply over-gaming.
Clubs in LA are expensive but worth it if you can afford it. The quality is through the roof.
While they are different depending on your style, music tastes etc, again, almost incomparable to T-Dot.
First of all, I have yet to see a pure Irish/British style pub. There are very few and girls/guys prefer cocktails over beer generally. Ratios in general are not favourable. The environment, however, is not tense at all and there's a lot of room to manoeuvre. Simply put, me and my wingman seem to be the only ones that are looking or staring when a hot girl walks in cause we are still not used to it. Flashback to T-Dot ....hot girl walks in, every guy at the bar including the ones on dates and the staff is looking....well, more like leering. That girl would be a sub-par Los Angeles online bang.
I was actually AFRAID to put my profile online in Toronto as it would probably interfere with my own self esteem/health and really make me depressed at not only the low quality (looks/sanity level) but also the rude comments and hyper-feminist behaviour of the 'local' girls. A girl that has many men after her, purchasing bottle service and invite her into 'exclusive' condo parties in Toronto is on pof in LA and can be pressured to meet up at a Cafe the next day.
The word 'creep' has yet to make an official appearance during my interactions with many women here. The reason is, there is a lot of 'different' people in the LA area. Girls are bombarded by cock/photoshoped photos, have been on a date with a guy that's 30 years older than his profile, a guy that is wearing an ankle bracelet (due to a court order), a local porn producer trying to put her on film etc. Hence, the term 'creep' here takes on a whole new meaning, unlike the meaning back home (any men that wants to fuck).
Tried the same company: FastLife in both cities: Results: Kind of embarrassing here as the guys speed-dating looked and talked like the gang of the Big Bang Theory. The girls were bangable. In Toronto, I remember having some serious competition with only two of the 18 girls showing up being bangable.
Dating in general:
Whereas in Toronto, girls looked at dating as either a huge jump into a serious relationship or flaked in numbers, girls here...simply put...KNOW HOW TO DATE. They know how to flirt, what to say, how to date. It hurts me to talk about this, as no one feels good by thrashing their own city, but schools teaching seduction/flirting to women must go up there (call it a stimulus plan to regenerate the Ontario Economy).
Girls are available to meet when you get their number and rarely flake. They take their time and are not rushed into starting a relationship any time soon. Given the competition of so many hot women, fast access to other friendly cities, San Diego, Las Vegas and a general chilled, relaxed 'live and let live' attitude it feels like just about anything is possible.
Sexual intercourse is not a big deal in Los Angeles. Many and I mean MANY women are not afraid to say they have a FWB. It's not seen as a negative. You don't really have to put much effort into 'gaming' if sex is what you are looking for (works best at dive bars). Increasing your sexual escalation early on is recommended however, as due to the nature of the city's logistics problem once you meet and have a good time but don't close, you just never know when you will meet again...
In conclusion, the problems that exist in Toronto exist in LA as well. But to a FAR FAR lesser degree. Some women will always be attention whores, unreasonable or simply just insane. Hot girls will always act like hot girls etc...BUT 7s and 8s should act like 7s and 8s. And 5s and 6s should stay home and hug their teddy bears!
These are just some preliminary points. Problems/areas of improvement associated with LA and the Socal area will be discussed at a Blog I'm currently working on.
Two boxers fight. Instanly one is always better than the other. One is bound to win. In the majority of cases it unfolds like this. The boxer with less experience, starts hitting his opponent. He is careful at first. Making very few attempts at uncovering himself. But slowly he begins to gain confidence and punch after punch, rallies behind the idea that he can actually win. The more experienced boxer awaits patiently. He gives little away as he intercepts his opponents punches and 'tires' him out. He waits and waits until he is ready to make that final blow....
The above can be applied to how I write. In almost all cases, my articles are inspired from real life experiences. And it is me, putting myself in positions many men would not dare do that results in collecting these thoughts, massaging these ideas and leaving a generously ample supply of dating jargon for this 'beloved' city.
By positioning myself I mean, experiencing negative feelings and having as many losses as I rack up victories.
A wise man once said, a losing battle is a victory, but a victorious one is a tragedy. I've always believed in it, yet have never experienced it first hand until I decided to put together this little blog. Until then, I never lost on purpose. Now, it is my strong opinion that one can rarely learn from their successes. But completely master the lessons a loss can teach. All a victory would do is make me repeat the exact same thing over and over again until it felt fake, unreal and ultimately lead to a loss. That, however, was a huge wake up call. It was as if, instantly, without even taking the time to lick my wounds or dust myself off, I started to plan my newest strategy.
So, as my time here is slowly coming to an end, I take with me some significant victories but most importantly many life changing LOSSES. And since I'll always be the nice kind of asshole, I decided to share them with you:
Lesson #1 : FOLLOW THE PUSSY - do not be cocky about this. The best strategy is always the easiest terrain. The more girls you have around, the better everything is. This applies, to shops, bars, beaches, clubs, other venues, cities, countries and continents. Is someone getting laid in Kabul right now? Probably, but if that isn't you, than go someplace where your chances are maximized.
Lesson #2: NEVER SPEND YOUR LIFE SITTING AT A DESK - Life's beautiful? Sure, but only if you have your days to enjoy it. If you get tied down to a 30 min lunch and a 9-5 schedule for most of it, guess what...you just missed it, while the dude with lots of time on his hand is living the life you want, going to the places you like and banging the chicks you dream of.
Lesson #3: DO NOT SPEND TIME ON YOUR 'ENEMIES' - With the right attitude and mindset, you should have a very thin list of enemies to begin with. Nevertheless, what is one to do about a hater...forgive and forget. The life you want and crave, your circle of DRIVE will not intersect with theirs. Make sure it doesn't.
Lesson #4: ENGAGE NEW IDEAS - Ideas built the world. One idea is worth a million insignificant random sentences. Be open minded and engage them. As hard as it is to accept new notions (humans are hard wired to resist to change) most of them will only improve your life.
Lesson #4: USE THE PAST ONLY AS HISTORICAL REFERENCE - While humans are hardwired to resist change, we are also very nostalgic of the past. If you notice, a lot of the time our conversations rely on retelling historic events from our lives often times wondering if the past was indeed a better, simpler time. THIS IS BULLSHIT. Things only get better in progression. In no other time have we had the social wiring we now possess and turned it into a skill, the possibility to travel at all corners of the world for relatively cheap prices and the amazing opportunities of becoming masters of our own destinies.
Lesson #5: LOOKS MATTER ANYWHERE YOU GO - To any Beta male stumbling upon this (I doubt it but there's always a few), stop falling pray of ROM/COMs and believing that the hot protagonist will fall for you at the end after repeatedly getting screwed by the dashing good looks of her part time lover. This almost never happens. Always maintain your looks in the best possible way. I do not promote overdoing it by plastic surgery but whatever you do, stay away from the Alan Harper Collection.
Lesson #6: IF YOU DO NOT FEEL LIKE GOING OUT, DON'T - I cannot recount the number of times I've ended up having a shitty time simply because I got dragged by others and went out for the sole purpose of going out instead of actually feeling up for it.
Lesson #7: DON'T DRINK TO FEEL BETTER - The old saying goes, don't drink to feel better, drink to feel EVEN better. In other words, if you are dependent on your bottle of scotch to get in a good mood, you should change other areas of your life that are stressing you out.
Lesson #8: DON'T TALK TO WOMEN YOU DON'T LIKE - If there is one little part of you that is indecisive about her looks or personality, avoid at all costs. All you will end up doing is waste time, money and your patience trying to convince yourself that you must fuck her even though your heart's not into it.
Lesson #9: NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF MONEY - No matter what stumbling blocks life throws your way it is always easier to be depressed whilst cushioned between the safeguard of green banknotes instead of the up and down shades of grey oozing from a shitty dry spell.
Lesson #10: STAY AWAY FROM EXCLUSIVE CLIQUES - you can only grow in most areas of your life while continuously experiencing a variety of interactions with an ample supply of diverse personalities. CLIQUES destroy creativity, look down upon free thinking and make any attempts at networking important connections impotent.
Lesson #11: DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF - Staying positive is just like any other prescription medication, sooner or later it wears off. In most cases it is always advisable to be true at least with yourself and recognize reality for what it is. A healthy life is that in which the many elements inside your circle of DRIVE are recognized, accepted, analyzed and than dealt with accordingly.
Lesson #12: NEVER STOP PLANNING YOUR NEXT MOVE - Planning maps out important parts of your life, sets out goals, important deadlines and prompts you into skyhigh achievements.
Lesson #13: ALWAYS REMEMBER THE PYRAMID - As things are not bound to change anytime soon, observe the ranking you fall when you meet girls. The higher in the PYRAMID your initial interaction occurs, the easier it will be to pull
Lesson #14: If you have money, invest in discount packages for mediocre looking women elsewhere that are DTF to come here and fuck studs.
Alas my friends, my time here is coming to an end. I am moving to a place where I have a better ROI. I will continue blogging in the city where I will move and make comparisons. I'll be moving with my wingman who has greatly contributed to these articles and without his help and insight, this would have not been possible. We will continue to write with the same analytical approach. I will introduce the new city once I am there.
One of the most influential mediums in the social politicking and dating life of a city is that of the local media. Apart from copy and paste international headlines the associated press subjects its minnow subordinates under on a daily basis, the local coverage remains a tossup. It is a tossup between the international press covering BIG local news (mass shooting, protests etc) and the local papers and tv stations trying to also cover the same news but really focusing more in other, community significant issues.
It is devastating to read the lifestyle sections of local papers and watch the 'hip' talk shows of local tv stations trying to come to terms with the social community life. Taking dating or social politicking advice from columnists who should have retired 2 decades ago is a hard pill to swallow. Moreover, listening and watching overweight women with kids and guys who can barely get laid themselves even with their local 'celebrity' status trying to analyze social dynamics where they live in, sets the perfect scenery for throwing up!
While one expecects this from mainstream media (after all it is virtually impossible for CNN to disect generalities of American dating culture and social dynamics in dive bars given the sheer size of the geographic area they cover and the inherent differences within), local media should really do MUCH better.
The many sections of newspapers and the numerous show formats dedicated to social life barely cover the dynamics that a significant portion of an urban population, the dating single crowd (easily counting over 40% of adults) are going through.
LA Weather Report France - Weather Report German Weather Report Toronto Weather Report
Alex Morgan - USA
Francesca Piccinini - Italy
Jaqueline Carvalho - Brazil
Here is a simple look at the Facebook pages of some of the main clubs here: I find it paints quite a picture...
In terms of NIGHTCLUB QUALITY, some of these girls would not be allowed in NYC or LA nightclubs! If they somehow got it, the bouncers would look for them and kick them out. In Toronto, they actually manage to get free drinks. [Look closely at the best one in the group of ThisIsLondon photo. It would be very hard to get her attention and nearly impossible to close her for a same night bang due to her ugly cock-blocking friend who should not be there in the first place.] My guess is that hot girls stand out here but this does not mean that there is a lot of them. If there were a lot of hot girls, there would be a lot more competition for the rest of these disfigured broads. More girls being nicer, less picky and more importantly way more DOWN TO FUCK. We should also remember that girls look very different in nightclubs than they do during the daytime. It is a common opinion you hear in Toronto that "the quality is terrible in the daytime but bearable in the nightime". Its the exact same girls, but this is simply the cheerleader effect and you're horny. Plus, it is awfully dark in there.
Political correctness manages to further fuck this up. Being shallow (superficial) gets a really bad rep here. If I had a dollar for everytime i heard "my friend is pretty" and it turned out her friend looked like a piglette with makeup, I would have a total of $357, which I'd probably take and go to a strip club since this is a better use for my buck or simply spend it in a city with hotter girls and tolerable attitudes. The sad thing is, the prices to get in are too high and the quality of MOST girls is too low for most nightclub venues. In addition, THEY ARE NOT DTF. -----Word of advice...go out on weeknights, you have less options but better girls-local talent living down town and not many big groups celebrating birthdays/christenings/mitzvas or whatever. Also, dive bars, small lounges or well known meat-markets are always a better bang for your buck. Bottom line, unless you have a table and bottle service, I would not recommend going to a nightclub.
1 - 'players want to get you drunk and fuck you' - NO. In spite of a few sadomasochistic desires, players ultimately want SEDUCTION. Rape is nowhere near their radar! They want to achieve secuding an intelligent woman. What most women fail to understand is that in addition to intelligence she MUST ALSO BE HOT.
2 - 'players have mommy/daddy issuses or issues of intimacy dating back to their childhood'- WRONG. If this was the case, you would see most of them dating older women. A lot of players come from very good families and in many cases they are well off. You have to be financially stable to even consider the possibility of entertaining the companionship of a lot of beautiful women simultaneously.
3 - 'players are hiding their homosexuality by sleeping with lots of women. No brainer' - BIG NO....you don't fuck hundreds of beautiful women cause you're gay. That's like saying a lesbian chick sucks a thousand cocks cause she's hiding her lesbianism! Some men simply have very high DRIVES when it comes to banging hot chicks...as simple as that.
4 - 'players are low life scum' - Not even close. To be a true player you need to be very intelligent and well off financially...you really need to have the total package. I can see how women are confused about this. Being a slut all you need to do is OPEN UP YOUR LEGS. Being a player on the other hand you have to be much, MUCH smarter than the average bears.
5 - 'players do not believe in true love' - There is no other word in the English language that is abused more than LOVE. The word itself was coined after different greek, roman and persian words of those same empires. What was lost in translation is words like EROS that had equal if not more significance.....In modern anglo societies LOVE has been TAINTED so much as a word that it is used interchangibly for men, women, animals, jobs, mocha chai lattes, pedicures, sushi and the list goes on....
Statistical Comparison of Toronto and Los Angeles Craigslist:
CL ads posted by women wanting a man (to date) in the Greater Toronto Area (including cities like Hamilton) over a single weekend: Friday July 13th to Sunday, July 15th, 2012: 32
CL ads posted by women wanting a man in Los Angeles (just LA)over a single weekend: Friday July 13th to Sunday, July 15th, 2012: 207
CL ads posted in women looking for casual encounters with Men in the Greater Toronto Area over a single weekend: Friday July 13th to Sunday, July 15th, 2012: 0 (ZERO)
CL ads posted in women looking for casual encounters with Men in Los Angeles, over a single weekend: Friday July 13th to Sunday, July 15th, 2012: 872
Moreover, the nature of the request from women in the two cities was very different.
Whereas in LA, they were down to fuck or very upfront about their request "Attractive female, seeking a guy to meet and date"
...in Toronto the few women felt the need to post a book reading as follows "must love BBW, must pay for dinners and be a gentleman. Must not be looking for sex!"
These results undoubtedly spill onto online dating sites, clubs, bars, day venues and social interactions. Now, you can clearly see what Toronto based players are really dealing with. As daddymac pointed out here Toronto women are psychotic and you are guilty until proven innocent.
Under these circumstance, regardless of your GAME, LOOKS, INCOME and other factors, you will still DATE DOWN compared to someone in say, Los Angeles. A goodlooking, tall, financially stable guy has to date down to pull tail on a consistent basis.
For more on this I have compiled a list of Websites, Forums, CL Posts dealing with this subject. This is only the tip of the iceberg as there is an overwhelming amount of information online. Literally every youtube video regarding Toronto related Events, Parties or girls has comments by men frustrated about the women's social retardation. On a positive note, MEN ARE WAKING UP and seeing what's out there. They are not afraid to tell their friends and spread the news. Talking about this in the mainstream outlets or around girls (unless they are not from here) is still TABOO.
Why people hate Toronto - This is people complaining about everything, from traffic to politics but notice how the number one complain is from men towards the attitude of the women here.
Toronto the Cold
10 Reasons why toronto sucks
Even Hemingway hated Toronto - A glimpse into torono's WASP past, which is todays socially retarded, reserved politically correct CLUSTERFUCK.
Why are Toronto women so reserved and flaky (from Data City forums) - Many topics have been opened up in this forum and OPs have been banned. Threads are usually closed, however, in spite of all that, it is a constant subject that comes up.
No Romance in Toronto the Good
What is the matter with Toronto (a nice international players forum)
Toronto people stuck up?! (from 2002..highlights the city has had historic problem for some)
Toronto polite but unfriendly (Roissy and more)
Craigslist - The Rants and Raves Page of CL Toronto consistently has a post about Toronto women and usually comes with over 10 replies by other men. these are just the latest I could find...There are countless more that get deleted..
Why so hard to find a girl in Toronto
Do Toronto women actually like men
Things I hate about Toronto
No CAR...no DATE